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December 12, 2007

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Bill Baar

When I took health class back in Freshman year of high school it was basically films from the Army on veneral disease.

Considering divorce rates, out of wedlock births, etc, were all much better back in those years although the coming plunge was clearly insight, you have to wonder if the approaches from the 50s weren't so bad.

Anyways, if one doesn't teach abstinance only, what are the criteria one gives kids for the lapses?

Is it just your human, expect to fail sometimes, or are their criteria for when sexual activity is ok? What are they?

Bill Baar

When I took health class back in Freshman year of high school it was basically films from the Army on veneral disease.

Considering divorce rates, out of wedlock births, etc, were all much better back in those years (although the declines to come were clearly in sight), you have to wonder if the approaches from the 50s weren't so bad.

Anyways, if one doesn't teach abstinance only, what are the criteria one gives kids for the lapses?

Is it just your human, expect to fail sometimes, or are there criteria for when sexual activity is ok? What are they?

Katie

Using terms like "fail" and "lapse" to describe sexual activity may be part of the problem.

When young adults are treated with respect and given a comprehensive scientific education, we'll be able to trust they'll make the best decisions for themselves, instead of demeaning them with scare tactics.

As far as criteria for when sexual activity is ok... how about keeping it consensual and emotionally and physically safe?

A note: It's Dave Obey, not James Obey. Great post.

Steve

Yes, great post!

Following up on Katie's post, a very good (and very controversial) book about why even liberal, medicalized and reasonable approaches to sex-ed have trouble getting things more than half-right: Harmful to Minors by Judith Levine. That link will take you to the site of her press, where you can read parts of her book; the controversy also has its own Wikipedia entry.

In partial defense of David Obey, for some values of X and Y, it's worth flushing X dollars down the pipe of absurd, ineffective, misleading abstinence-only education if by doing so we can get the government to fund Y dollars worth of genuine and comprehensive family planning. But it does sound as if X here is too high, and Y too low, to justify this particular compromise.

Drew

I think that this appeals to a broader issue that infects the American culture at large: our unwillingness to claim our sexuality and talk about it openly. We still see commercials and language of parent discussing "birds and bees" (as if they mate) with their kids and an awkwardness related to sex in general. Couple this overarching discomfort with disease and holy writ and you have a massive cultural dysfunction that the fideism of latching on to an irrational policy such as this only fuels.

The "pro-life" position is really "anti-abortion" (as I have argued before) and this "abstinence-only" program is really "anti-sexuality". It is a way to keep sex out of school literally and figuratively. This is a problem of America's various taboos and bad advice to parents who call vaginas "whoo-has" and penises "winkies" with their two and three year olds who are beginning to discover the presence of their sexual differences.

So this is symptomatic of irrational cultural taboo fueled by uncritical acceptance of religious dogma. For the politicians this is also a response to keeping the flow of support consistent by the constituencies that hired them in the first place! Welcome to the cycle of samsara for our political machines.

Ruben

>> that study after study—including one commissioned by Congress itself has shown these programs to be ineffective does not trouble this president

Obviously you haven't researched this very well, because there are recent studies which show that such programs work.

For example, a new study to be published in the Jan/Feb issue of American Journal of Health Behavior highlights a Virginia abstinence program that has shown to have made a significant impact in the delay of sex.

You can read more about it here: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/88807.php

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